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Old 08-22-2006, 07:45 PM
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I thought they were bricks....

no I am presently using empty tuna cans with rubberbands to isolate my decks... I was just wondering what they were...


sorry for opening up this can of worms....





I think $20 is a 'steal' in the audiophool community


That was a typo I meant 120.00 bucks My bad
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:48 PM
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Now get ready for this!

Putting some sand from the Coney Island beach, specifically the beach between W10th st and W12th st, inside your speakers gives your bass dramatic punch and fullness, with exceptional transient clarity.


And best of all? Its free, yes totally free, so come on down to Coney Island to get your free beach sand, from the beach between W10th and W12th st, and be amazed.

And, once at home with your sand installed, the more beer you drink, the better your shit sounds!!!!!!

Dont believe me, come get your sand, and see for your self.



Now I know why my system sounded funny the other day. First I drank Vodka. Second my sand was from Rockaway...



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Old 08-24-2006, 08:50 PM
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Done properly, a rubber band suspension pretty much eliminates low frequency rumble and 400hz howl. However, if your playing SO loud, you can hit the tonearms resonant frequency if the recording contains enough signal content around 400hz, then you will hear the arm howl.

Adding or subtracting mass from the tone arm will also solve this problem. You can lower the frequency by adding mass, raise it by removing mass. I also really like rumble notches in the frequency response of mixers. They seem to do a great job, but in the case of the PPD01, not having the notch makes the bass very flat.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:55 PM
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The problem is running your phono input wide open, its similar to microphone feedback. Your hitting the table or arm at the right frequency, it resonates, this goes through the mixer, and system, back into the tonearm or table, and back through the mixer, etc, etc, so, yes, its feedback, very similar to a mic feeding back. And the cartridge starts acting similar to a mic as well, too wide open on the input, and your picking up things right through the needle/cartridge.

Myself and a number of other people, though, have reported a low level hum from just the needle on the unmoving record, even through headphones with the soundsystem muted. It goes away when the TT power is off or the needle is not in contact with anything. I've seen this reported on at least both Numark and Stanton tables. I've even tried special slip mats and record cushions, but it's obviously not a physical vibration it's picking up from the platter.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:23 PM
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When the phono pot is open, especially wide open, and the needle is on the record, and not moving, there is vibration we cant feel or hear, but its there.

You say when you turn the TT power off on your NuMark it goes away. Guess what? When you turn the power off, the transformer is off and transformers hum, and make small amounts of vibration when powered up. So, the needle which is VERY sensitive is picking up this tiny vibration, then your phono pre/mixer is amplifying it, and now YOU hear it.

This is why the High End turntables pay so much attention to such teeny weeny vibrations, and thats why they cost as much as they do.

Back in 1986 when we got our rubber band suspension console I couldnt believe how much quieter, and cleaner my records sounded, and with our original console which wasnt rubber band suspended, there was no rumble. But, there are tiny vibrations we cant hear, but cloud the music, etc, etc.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:30 AM
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Thumbs up Eldorado

Scotty,

I have been reading your posts on various topics and I am in admiration

of your vast technical knowledge. Not only do u run the best damn ride

in Coney Island, not only do you play the best music, you are a

technical genius!
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Old 08-25-2006, 05:12 AM
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Hmm, but then why doesn't this hum change at all if I go from no slip mat, to a butter rug, to a neoprene mat? The guy with stanton 150's noticed the same thing. Shouldn't there be at least some alteration of the hum if you change the amount and/or type of isolation between the record and the platter? To me, it seems like what we're getting is electrical in nature. Did the person above who mentioned this issue experience exactly the same thing on a 1200?
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:24 AM
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Well, even if you change the mat to a different type, the tonearm hasnt been isolated further, so, it could be picked up that way. Remember, the phono cartridge and stylus are designed to pick up extremely small vibrations and signals, so, what Im saying could be possible.

Still, what you suggest also makes sense, and indicates the Numark and Stanton tables to not be as well designed as they should be? Could be some electrical components to close to sensitive signal wires, not enough shielding around the transformer, poor grounding.

This is definitely an issue I have never had with the Technics 1200,s.
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Old 08-27-2006, 01:31 AM
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next one.


What brand and model is that center black speaker? Almost looks like a Apogee 3x3 but it's not.
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Old 08-27-2006, 01:47 AM
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Heres a couple links to pics of my setup:

http://www.musicv2.com/display_pics....3410&a_id=1477


http://www.musicv2.com/display_pics....3411&a_id=1477

And there's a link to some mixes too on the same site in my sig below while I'm at it:
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:40 AM
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Here's mine. Not as cool as allen's (*makes envious look), but it gets the job done - and it only cost like $30 to make hehehe....

So allen, how did you get the console to adjust? Was it a lot of work making it? Was it expensive?



Hey RC,

Your console Rocks!-No dis to any of the others shown here. I saved the pic of it when you first posted. Besides, at that price I would consider it a "Best Buy".
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:42 AM
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Motorizing my Console.

This forum is a wealth of ideas. I took a computer desk top and took a saw to it. I like the order the table took. Nice and Neat. The reading through this thread and others, I decided that I would like to motorize the component section.

I ordered some hinges. Which will be 19".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&item=200015504596&rd =1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Then I order some rack rails. Which will be 14U.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190022831537&rd =1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Then some 1/2" plywood.

Then comes the measurements.

The goal is to get the motorize section to travel from a flat plane to a 45 degree angle. This will allow adjustments throughout the range.




Then the eventual goal to to dress the cosole so that it asthetically pleasing and functional.


There will be updates as the parts come in. The last thing will be the actuator. I will have to determine what the stroke will be in order to get the right length.


This will be a work in progress and something that will fit the form and function.

The 1200's will be recessed also.

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Old 08-28-2006, 07:46 AM
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Are those 680hifi's or 500al's?

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This forum is a wealth of ideas. I took a computer desk top and took a saw to it. I like the order the table took. Nice and Neat. The reading through this thread and others, I decided that I would like to motorize the component section.

I ordered some hinges. Which will be 19".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&item=200015504596&rd =1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Then I order some rack rails. Which will be 14U.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190022831537&rd =1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Then some 1/2" plywood.

Then comes the measurements.

The goal is to get the motorize section to travel from a flat plane to a 45 degree angle. This will allow adjustments throughout the range.




Then the eventual goal to to dress the cosole so that it asthetically pleasing and functional.


There will be updates as the parts come in. The last thing will be the actuator. I will have to determine what the stroke will be in order to get the right length.


This will be a work in progress and something that will fit the form and function.

The 1200's will be recessed also.
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:54 AM
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Are those 680hifi's or 500al's?


Stanton 890 with eliptical tips.

I save the 680,s for playing out. These too are eliptical.

I gave up on the Groovemaster Pro Gold. Going to sell them on Ebay.
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:24 AM
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It seems that many people play out with needles that track better than their home needles, but I find the 680ELII's don't even track as well as the ATP's. 680's sound good with the Xone, but why would you play out with them over the 890's? Do the 890's track worse? I heard they have more bass and treble, which seems like it would be a good thing.
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:37 AM
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It seems that many people play out with needles that track better than their home needles, but I find the 680ELII's don't even track as well as the ATP's. 680's sound good with the Xone, but why would you play out with them over the 890's? Do the 890's track worse? I heard they have more bass and treble, which seems like it would be a good thing.


The 680's I own have different styli. With those I use the D6800 SE. As for tracking, I don't have a problem. The 890's have a higher output, but the 680's and these tips have a warmer feeling to them and allows me to drive the system a little hotter without distorting.

I love the way they sound. And as always sound a subjective thing.
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:29 PM
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Ah, the SE's. People love those things. I understand why you wouldn't want to wear in the styli at home.

You ever tried testing the tracking FI distortion on the 890 ellipticals with something like the Hi Fi News Test Record? I'd be interested in how they perform on those tracks. The 680 does extremely well, but the 500 and the NCE have troubles.
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:52 PM
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Ah, the SE's. People love those things. I understand why you wouldn't want to wear in the styli at home.

You ever tried testing the tracking FI distortion on the 890 ellipticals with something like the Hi Fi News Test Record? I'd be interested in how they perform on those tracks. The 680 does extremely well, but the 500 and the NCE have troubles.


No, I haven't used this. I have done a quick search. I will order one of these as it is an useful tool for calibration.

6800 SE are hard to come by today. That's why they are my play out cartridges. I the RM tips at home with the 890's and I have the SA. I have completely trashed the SA tips. I just wore them out. I used them first, and saved the RM for their present use.

I am selling the Groovemaster Pro Gold. They're alright IMO, but I like the others better to my ear. I have like six tips, with the GPG. Two stock, and four SK. They will be a nice packaged deal for someone. And I have use the GPG like 3 hours max.

The sale will help me buy some more tips for the 680 and 890.
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:17 PM
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I use the 681SE, theres nothing else quite like it, great sound, but they do wear fast. That was always the case with them. It wasnt really a problem in 1980, they made em, so you always could get em.

I have a supply for myself, I bought out a stores entire inventory of stylus tips. I use them on my old Stnaton cartridge bodies, I did try the D6800SE stylus tip on a newer Stanton 680 body, as Stanton says they are exactly the same as what was made in the 70,s and 80,s! NO GO! Wasnt the smae sound. My old cartridge bodies and 681SE tips are the shit!

However, the closest thing to this sound, IMHO, is the Audio Technica $79.00 cartridge that forum memeber Allen turned me onto!
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Old 08-29-2006, 02:31 AM
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The ATP is lumpy sounding, though. It's also a pain in the ass to mount with the way the white stylus housing prevents you from using a screw that are too long. I got mine for like $60 each, but the extra mid/upper bass and the emphasized upper midrange harmonics (female vocal range) get to be a bit much at times. The bass is mighty tight on that thing, but the NCE seems more neutral and tracks better. The ATP sounds particularly awful on the Xone 62. There's no high frequency extension at all and they're real midrangey. They weren't too bad on the 5000fx, with fantastic low end, but that lumpy sound just wasn't even enough. I need to get some 14mm screws and get them ready for the PPD9000.

Heh heh, or just cut them with wire cutters. That was easy.

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Old 08-29-2006, 07:56 PM
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I guess its system dependent, as I didnt fint the AT,s to be excessivly midrangey in here. The old Stantons do have a nice top end though. I keep them for a reason!
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:41 PM
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I guess its system dependent, as I didnt fint the AT,s to be excessivly midrangey in here. The old Stantons do have a nice top end though. I keep them for a reason!

Yeah. Very phono stage dependent, as well.
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:20 PM
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The ATP is lumpy sounding, though. It's also a pain in the ass to mount with the way the white stylus housing prevents you from using a screw that are too long. I got mine for like $60 each, but the extra mid/upper bass and the emphasized upper midrange harmonics (female vocal range) get to be a bit much at times. The bass is mighty tight on that thing, but the NCE seems more neutral and tracks better. The ATP sounds particularly awful on the Xone 62. There's no high frequency extension at all and they're real midrangey. They weren't too bad on the 5000fx, with fantastic low end, but that lumpy sound just wasn't even enough. I need to get some 14mm screws and get them ready for the PPD9000.

Heh heh, or just cut them with wire cutters. That was easy.

Sorry that cart didn't work out for. My experience has been the exact opposite. I geues that that combo doesn't work out well with your mixer. Getting the right combination can be tricky sometimes. You've found what works best for you, and thats great.
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ATP is very nice cart.
grado DJ200i sounds great, too!!
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