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Old 04-11-2013, 08:57 AM
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omnitronic now launch a rotary mixer with built in isolator.

it's at the show... smaller than an e&s and cheap....

could be a new benchmark for budget mixers for those wanting rotary/isolator use....

pics to come.
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:12 AM
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it´s already on their site:

http://eshop.steinigke.de/de/Produkt..._10355920.html

e&s ripoff
could be nice for people who want to test the rotary-feeling without being able to get (or to afford) one of the "real" rotarymixers.
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Old 04-11-2013, 09:36 AM
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wow, thats really cool.
Its a rip off alright, but then again we are talking about Omnitronic. If its anything like their isolators this is going to be a pretty neat mixer.

and 420 euros, retail is probably going to be less.

I like this a lot, rotary mixers are so expensive only few people can afford them. This could re open the doors to rotary mixing.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:01 AM
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"Classical ALPS potentiometer (RK27 Blue Velvet)" - cool

Could be a nice gig mixer. Something to beat on, leave the expensive gear at home.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:20 AM
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pretty cool... I would prefer dedicated channels,
but for travel use and hitting a budget/ price point...

looks marvelous...
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:45 AM
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fantastic move!
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:54 AM
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... If its anything like their isolators this is going to be a pretty neat mixer...

+1

always hated omnitronic gear back in the 90ies, it was germany´s "american dj" or "dj tech", but their isolator is pretty sick.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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http://eshop.steinigke.de/en/Coming-...q 6futdma110s

420 euros... looks good value if it's half decently built... might be tweakable with better op amps - power supply upgrade etc etc...

never had a problem with the basics of omnitronic - cheap and decent value gear....

i notice loads of people are saying it's a piece of crap already... amazing as it's not out and no ones heard it yet.

suppose these people are 'better' than normal people.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:04 PM
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with the current conversion, about 1:1.32, looks to be about USD$550+ shipping...

not bad at all....

at the same time -- sometimes you come across deals on the vintage gear... I remember David Meza picking up a
USD$50 bozak (or something else crazy like that) awhile back....
and I have picked up a few sub-$1000 (USD$) units in perfect working order with passable to very good cosmetics....

it just takes more patience/seeing the opportunities...
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:59 PM
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Looks very cute...

Like others have said, great for gigging. Looks like it would be great fun to mod too.

No FX loop (not that I'm complaining at the price)...and I wonder what the power rails are. I can't read it from the picture. Also I wonder if the outputs are actually balanced.

I wonder if I'm getting an answer to something I was wondering about awhile back...which is whether or not classic-style rotary mixers are gaining some level of mainstream appreciation.

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Old 04-11-2013, 05:03 PM
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This - to my eyes - is copyright infringement:

- It is a very good thing that omnitronic makes a small, portable and afforable rotary mixer.

- But there is no reason in the entire world they have to copy Jerome's faceplate and signature design without paying royalties.

That's not fair in my book. They could have made it a little different looking quite differently. If E&S were Apple, they would be sued.

And please don't come with Rane and so on. That was not good either. If you copy someone else's work instead of doing your own, you have to pay a (fair) price.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:15 PM
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copyrights and trademarks are only valuable if the owner is willing and able to defend them...

it is also a shame that photocopies are called xeroxes, generally...
and petroleum jelly called vaseline... etc, etc, etc.

but I do agree with you in principle...

although as a counterpoint, sometimes i see patents, copyrights and trademarks that should likely not have been issued in the first place...

*edit* please don't misconstrue my comments about IP above, as condoning the apparent
lifting of Mssr. Jerome's styling abd concept cues.... but as I mentioned, those filings are typically
costly to defend against infringement, thus hard to maintain for smaller corporate entities....

I am unsure of the implications of cross border treaties in the EU with respect to the legal releaf options...
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:16 PM
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jensx: Do we know for sure that they didn't pay E&S?

If they didn't compensate E&S, you're right. I know this isn't rational but it seems a lot nastier to rip off a "little guy" than it does to rip off some huge company.

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Old 04-11-2013, 08:48 PM
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hard to worry about copyright while being into disco, house and techno....

put your money where your mouth is jerome would love you for it, probably be able to eat to....
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:13 AM
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kinda weak to blatantly steal E&S graphic scheme. cant be too hard
to come up with a scheme of your own.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:33 PM
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less designing means less costs, means lower price. and we are talking about Omnitronic.

besides, an urei 1620 looks like a Bozak, and a Rane 2016 bears a lot of similarities with both as well.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:31 PM
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I don't see the resemblance between the classic mixers...
no more than an old camaro and firebird resemble each other...

yeah, they all have a ton of knobs... but beyond that?
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:00 AM
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kinda weak to blatantly steal E&S graphic scheme. cant be too hard
to come up with a scheme of your own.

Jepp and kinda weak from Rane & Crest to steal from Urei.
bla bla bla

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The Omni iso have a totally different internal layout than the E&S.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:09 AM
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One time, a long time ago, I thought I saw an internal pic of the E&S mixer, and it was done on breadboards. Does anyone know if this is the case...not sure if I dreamt it? Thanks, rs
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:50 AM
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This is common practice for companies like Omnitronic, find something that you can make for a fraction of the cost by using their discounted buying price. Copy the aesthetics and throw it at the market and hope to attract the competions customers. Ethics don't come into business decisons like this, they see a market and sell. Who knows if there ethics stop them from using those fake Alps pots being churned out of China.

I'm sure the unit will work fine and those who buy one will be happy with it's peformance. There is only so much you can do at at given price point, corners need to be cut somehwere regardless of how cheap you buy the compononents for or what country manufactures the end product.

E&S is not on breadboard, it may look like that from some of the images you have seen, and Jerome may use small breadboards for an individual circuit item, when someone demands some custom mod like an extra channel. You are not going to rip out a whole PCB just to add an extra channel.
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:44 AM
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One time, a long time ago, I thought I saw an internal pic of the E&S mixer, and it was done on breadboards. Does anyone know if this is the case...not sure if I dreamt it? Thanks, rs

Think you are talking about the grid pattern on the PCBs that could look like a breadboard. One reason for having it like this is that when printing PCB film and having large black areas it can be difficult to print these areas 100% black on some printers and adding a grid pattern is the way to solve that. There are some other reasons to do this also when using large ground planes, but that's another discussion.
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Old 04-18-2013, 03:04 PM
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Who knows if there ethics stop them from using those fake Alps pots being churned out of China.

Honestly i doubt a registered and legal company would risk buying and using fake components when it lists said components in the specs of it product as they would be wide open for being held to account for it. I would more than likely down to their bulk buying power.

I got their ISO and so far both in a home and at a club it is far better than that piece of crap vestax dcr that died on me.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:27 PM
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Anything is possible when looking for profit, once manufacturing is jobed out to China even the factory would possible look at using fake components, it's just the nature of the market. A great insight into manufacturing in China is the book, Poorly Made in China by Paul Midler.

Bypassing Western regulations such as CE certfication and other safety regulations happens without restraint in some of these manufacturing houses.

Bulk Buying will allow significant savings, yet some companies do not care.

Then there is the question, the fakes pots may just be as good as the real thing, who knows, just the Chinese don't care much about Brand names and if they can make it cheaper, they will.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:31 AM
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Bypassing Western regulations such as CE certfication and other safety regulations happens without restraint in some of these manufacturing houses.
CE terms no certification, you can simply declare that you meet the specifications. That's it. And no matter if you really do or not and if you made an EMC test you can not refer to that. You are responsible for your product. CE says nothing.

Some people also say: CE - china equipped


And why do most of you think that there are fake pots in this unit? I got mine for € 7.50 end user price. They may pay € 3.- or so for large orders.

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Old 04-20-2013, 10:43 AM
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To be honest this looks like a really interesting little mixer ! It's got pretty much what I need in a portable desktop unit and all those outputs for that size of mixer is fantastic. I'd be very interested to see the reviews when it becomes available and if the sound is half decent, then I would probably prefer this to a Pioneer mixer any day .
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