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Old 04-19-2008, 08:16 AM
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Does a full cut on an isolator completely cut the sound?

Hi all,

I have a query regarding the full cut (infinite) on isolators. Is it normal to hear a very very faint sound (from the playing source) through the speakers when you turn the volume up much louder on the mixer (on master output and channel dial)? Or should the sound remain full cut and silent no matter how much output you try on the mixer?

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Old 04-19-2008, 08:26 AM
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:40 AM
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possibly. I have a Urei 1620LE mixer and Bozak ISO isolator. I can't hear a thing ay my normal levels (7 rotary dial and 7 at master output). If I turn the master volume to full volume and turn up volume on my stereo then I can hear a very faint sound (is this bleeding?).

I may be testing the isolator to extremes but was just curious.

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Old 04-19-2008, 11:08 AM
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possibly. I have a Urei 1620LE mixer and Bozak ISO isolator. I can't hear a thing ay my normal levels (7 rotary dial and 7 at master output). If I turn the master volume to full volume and turn up volume on my stereo then I can hear a very faint sound (is this bleeding?).

I may be testing the isolator to extremes but was just curious.

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Ross

If a Isolator is designed & supposed to be full cut there should be silence when all pots are @ 7 oclock with no hiss, bleed or leak as some call it.

For example with the Thrive Audio Isolator,

if you cut all 3 pots, your bass, your mid, & your High pot, then crank your cd or phono input level to 10 on your Urei/LE or Rane 2016/A, and then turn up your house and booth output to 10, the source is gone with the Thrive, no noise, no hiss no nothing. It is gone like your amps are off no matter how large or small the system is with this test.

That is how it should be when it is supposed to be infinity cut, it should be gone no sound, no bleed/leak, & def no hiss adding noise to the system if its a well designed processor.

I always do this test when i demo our Isolator to show all our clients how high quality our circuit is and they are blown away by this, sayin I have tried this same test & you do this kind of test with other brand Isolators, and there is bleed or its noisy. So no your not being to extreme


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Old 04-19-2008, 11:50 AM
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If a Isolator is designed & supposed to be full cut there should be silence, no hiss, bleed or leak as some call it.

For example with the Thrive Audio Isolator,

if you cut all 3 pots, your bass, your mid, & your High pot, then crank your cd or phono input level to 10 on your Urei/LE or Rane 2016/A, and then turn up your house and booth output to 10, the source is gone with the Thrive, no noise, no hiss no nothing. It is gone like your amps are off no matter how large or small the system is with this test.

That is how it should be when it is supposed to be infinity cut, it should be gone no sound, no bleed/leak, & def no hiss adding noise to the system if its a well designed processor.

I always do this test when i demo our Isolator to show all our clients how high quality our circuit is and they are blown away by this, sayin I have tried this same test & you do this kind of test with other brand Isolators, and there is bleed or its noisy. So no your not being to extreme


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Thank you for your advice Shorty. I'll need to double check I have connected everything correctly with my mixer. I am not the most technical so there is a high chance I could make a mistake along the way.

Have you noticed this bleed, leak, hiss etc with other isolators?

Thanks again for your advice.

Ross
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:04 PM
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Iso

Sounds like the Bozak isolator has it's first quality issue...... that blows to hear that about the Isolator. The Bozak seems to be over priced then....maybe this is some indication of what to expect with the new Bozak mixer and future Kit? Can You say....."Can I get my money back"
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Hi all,

I have a query regarding the full cut (infinite) on isolators. Is it normal to hear a very very faint sound (from the playing source) through the speakers when you turn the volume up much louder on the mixer (on master output and channel dial)? Or should the sound remain full cut and silent no matter how much output you try on the mixer?

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Ross
All the Bozak Isolators Bleed Ross. I have had it installed in my club a few times now & they bleed.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:44 PM
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Thanks all for the feedback.

The bozak isolator is the only isolator I have used and I am amazed at how it works. I personally like the 4 way option. I didn't want to post a message to cause an attack on Bozak for what ever reasons people may have.

I have still to double check that I haven't made an connection error at my side.

Is this slight bleeding common on high spec isolators (E&S, dope reel etc) and acceptable or is this a fault that needs to be fixed?

Thanks again.

Ross

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Old 04-19-2008, 01:01 PM
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Thanks all for the feedback.

The bozak isolator is the only isolator I have used and I am amazed at how it works. I personally like the 4 way option. I didn't want to post a message to cause an attack on Bozak for what ever reasons people may have.

I have still to double check that I haven't made an connection error at my side.

Is this slight bleeding common on high spec isolators (E&S, dope reel etc) and acceptable or is this a fault that needs to be fixed?

Thanks again.

Ross
Bleeding is not pose to happen when u advertise it as having full cut.

One big plus for the Bozak iso, is what it do for the low end sub, its killer.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:12 PM
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Thank you for your advice Shorty. I'll need to double check I have connected everything correctly with my mixer. I am not the most technical so there is a high chance I could make a mistake along the way.

Have you noticed this bleed, leak, hiss etc with other isolators?

Thanks again for your advice.

Ross

comment on that, as i haven`t tried them all, I jus was answering a question you had to try to help you out. & let you know how our product works & is designed on systems of any size or budget.

Thrive Audio BENDER comming soon!
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:16 PM
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comment on that, as i haven`t tried them all, I jus was answering a question you had to try to help you out. & let you know how our product works & is designed on systems of any size or budget.

Thrive Audio BENDER comming soon!

I appreciate your help and advice Shorty.

Thanks again.

Ross
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:38 PM
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Well

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Thanks all for the feedback.

I personally like the 4 way option.



Thanks again.

Ross

with the Thrive Audio Isolator it can be used as a 3,4 or 5 way iso. with the most user features on the market
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:10 PM
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with the Thrive Audio Isolator it can be used as a 3,4 or 5 way iso. with the most user features on the market

Very interesting.

What does the 5th way option do? Is the 4th similar to bozak's sub bass option?
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:14 PM
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when he says 5 way he really means "3 way with adjustable points on the outer two bands", i think...

the three knobs in the middle control the amplitude

the two smaller outside knobs change that side's crossover point in the circuit, i think...





can the width of the audio spectrum being manipulated with the Thrive?

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Old 04-20-2008, 01:27 PM
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when he says 5 way he really means "3 way with adjustable points on the outer too bands", i think...

the three knobs in the middle control the amplitude

the two smaller outside knobs change that side's crossover point in the circuit, i think...






can the width of the audio spectrum being manipulated with the Thrive?

Thanks for the advice Mistick Krewe.

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Old 04-21-2008, 10:16 AM
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The isolators on the Rane 2016 is pretty tight. I know ive done a couple tests and it's dead quiet with all 3 pots turned to the "off" setting (7 o'clock).
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Old 04-21-2008, 04:00 PM
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The isolators on the Rane 2016 is pretty tight. I know ive done a couple tests and it's dead quiet with all 3 pots turned to the "off" setting (7 o'clock).

I know this is a big price difference but the per ch "kills"/isolator's on my old Denon DN-X500 I think were silent, I remember being able to kill the complete audio band and not hearing a thing.
That was the only mixer I had with kills so I canít say what others are like
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Old 04-22-2008, 01:39 AM
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no sound when full cut position with E&S, Dope Real and Vestax isolators!
no matter the unit sounds good if you have Bleed, leak or hiss with full cut positon

the unit is not isolator, it is EQ.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:17 AM
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thrive iso

Just thought to post this video clip showing the thrive isolator in works.

The Martinez Brothers

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Old 04-22-2008, 10:44 AM
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Just thought I'd add that I have the E&S X3004 and it does not bleed at all.

Turn all 3 pots down and you get no sound at all no matter how loud you crank it, nada!
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:11 AM
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another .02 cents

same with the Next Xcut units, full kill is silent.
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Electrix EQ Killer...silent too.
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scratch the ISO-X off my list.. for a cheapy it would seem E&S is a good fit.

for an exceptional studio piece I think the Thrive is worth the coin..

Dope Real is a good piece too.. if you can get them to make you one..
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:03 PM
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Just thought to post this video clip showing the thrive isolator in works.

the martinez brothers


Shorty.. you should video something like this in high def with proper lighting and sync it to the recorded set from the night as promo mat'l for the isolator.. even if it's you or Scott mixing.

I think that with all the great features the Thrive has, people sometimes need to see & hear the benefits of great gear first hand without the crappy sound from youtube clips.
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Old 04-22-2008, 07:18 PM
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an actual product line website, independent performance evaluations, and "real" promotional/spec material could probably help too...

it's so 'easy' to run response curves nowadays.... some amateurs even have the capacity to do so...

but why bother doing that stuff when you have Wave, Myspace and Google at your disposal...

and for free, so to speak...

right?
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