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Old 04-20-2005, 11:11 PM
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Rane Empath...Rotary Edition

Here's a mod I just finished.

For the story, how-to and photos visit:

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Old 04-20-2005, 11:41 PM
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Thank you.

It's sounds the same. Dale Manquen, USA P+G guy, said that there's no audio actually going through the faders. I guess they control something else...VCA perhaps.
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:56 AM
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Bee-you-tee-ful!

Would you consider changing the silk screen from the line faders to rotary screen? Congratulations, you probably are the only one with an Empath like this......Sick!
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Old 04-21-2005, 03:40 AM
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Thanks!

Sure. If I had the money I'd get a whole new panel made, except then I would only want the meter labeled and everything else blank. Maybe later on...
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Old 04-21-2005, 04:19 AM
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Yes, the crossfader still works! I just left it out. Might put it back in???

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did u use P&G pots on that?
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:04 AM
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Yes

3 Penny & Giles RF11/1/D/L Rotary Faders

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Old 04-21-2005, 09:27 AM
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Oh, and all the features still work including the contour adjust for channels 1 and 3--allows you to set the volume slope.

http://www.rane.com/empathfp.gif

You can also still fire the cd-start triggers by turning the knob. I don't use that ever, but it works.
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:55 PM
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Matt . Who does panels ?

Not to jack the thread but you said you would get a whole new panel made. Who does that ?

I may want want one are they expensive ?

Thread jack over now...

Nice work...
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:03 PM
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Matt,

Nice job there,

Regarding the panel work. It gets to be expensive for one plate. You have to pay for the art work first. When I had the bozak plates done $300 just for art work then the charge for screening.

For all the emails on the bozak plates they will be ready in 3 weekks sorry for the delay. Sorry for posting here.

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Old 04-21-2005, 10:21 PM
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Panels

Thanks!

http://www.rcicustom.com Very good pricing here.

I don't want any artwork. All blank except for maybe a marking at 0 on the led meter. Still unsure if I want color and which finish.
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:16 PM
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Thanks Matt

How do those P&G's feel BTW.
No signal goes through them huh ?
Does that mean they are likeley to never get scratchy ?

All answers lead to more questions...
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:29 PM
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Stiffer than I expected but I don't have any prior rotary use to compare them to.

You'd have to ask Dale Manquen about the fader getting scratchy. I'll ask him to reply.
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In this circuit, the pot has a DC voltage across it, and the wiper's output voltage is encoded by an A/D channel in the microcontroller. With this scheme, as with a VCA, any noise in the pot wiper voltage would result in level bounce rather than scratchy sound.

Since these pots are commonly used for studio monitor level control, there isn't much chance of any control voltage noise.

Matt, I think the pots will loosen up a bit with use. As you have probably noticed, the pots are extremely 'smooth'. Larger knobs might also help.

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Old 04-22-2005, 01:41 AM
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Yes, they ARE very smooth.
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Looks good, how do you find mixing now?
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Old 04-23-2005, 03:37 AM
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Looks good, how do you find mixing now?


I find it easier to make the transitions smoother...if that makes sense.
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Old 04-23-2005, 03:38 AM
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Larger knobs might also help.

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Put some on today--big improvement!
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:00 PM
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Hey Matt,

Do you mind sharing pics of the new updated Empath Rotary?
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:34 PM
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You will find a picture of the fader and full technical specs on the P&G website at http://www.pennyandgiles.com/docGallery/168.PDF

Note that this model uses a machined metal front housing, not your typical cast or stamped types.
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:43 PM
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Hey Matt,

Do you mind sharing pics of the new updated Empath Rotary?


They're all here: http://www.matthewherring.com
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Old 04-27-2005, 11:32 AM
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Very cool to see this...wish the same were true for the MP-44's (too much stuff underneath the panel for rotaries to fit).
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