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man_traic 12-02-2012 06:11 AM

New mixer time - help me make up my mind!!!
 
I currently have a modified UREI 1620LE (One of the rec outs is post-FX and the headphones have a third, middle position thats a mix of CUE/PGM)
Heres my criteria -

- Rotary
- 19" rackable
- High quality
- At least 6 inputs

Heres my choices:


Alpha Recording System ARS 4100
Pros: Compact, nice dual FX loop, high quality, uncluttered
Cons: Expensive, no warranty (!), Rec outs arent post-FX, Cueing system is too basic


Electronique Spectacle DJR100D/ DJR100*
Pros: Definitive. Has a VU and iso, so can replace all that gear with one, high quality.
Cons: Bit cluttered with the per channel EQ, cant hear master in phones, no recording outs, no Dry/ wet FX knob
* The 100 has no per-channel EQ or iso. Contender?


Rane MP2016A
Pros: Excellent in/out connections, pre AND post FX recording outs, excellent cue system, high quality
Cons: Arguably a bit cluttered, no Dry/ Wet FX knob (So cant retire my E&S XFX3004 Isolator)

I thought about others:
Xone V6+ second hand (Too cluttered, too expensive)
New Bozak (How good is this? Ticks a lot of boxes but unsure...)
Modified old Bozak (Too risky, too expensive)
DFA Mixer (Still no info on it, so not sure...)

What do you guys think?

Laurin 12-02-2012 09:57 AM

Alpha Recording System ARS 4100

daswadan 12-02-2012 02:12 PM

why do you want to get rid of the urei? if we know the reason, maybe its easier to help you with the selection of your new mixer.

man_traic 12-02-2012 02:52 PM

It needs some repairs (left xlr outputs are louder, one balance pot is broken, one of the channels is blown) and im thinking of changing

alsoi the mixer is too noisy

Mistick Krewe 12-02-2012 03:21 PM

wow, did the issues crop up over time, or suddenly?

no warranty? or local competent techs?

are you handy with an iron?

if it's sorted out prior to being offered for sale,
I'm sure the proceeds would better help fund your next acquisition....

man_traic 12-02-2012 03:33 PM

Left XLR = been there 5 years
Balance pot - 2 years
Blown channel - 1 year (I threw a line level into the third (Phono) channel and for some reason it blew the line channel also WTF)

Ive had my UREI about 6 years

Yes there is a competent tech I know, but im thinking of selling it as is for a low price of 150/200 for quick sale

bossa nolyx 12-02-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurin
Alpha Recording System ARS 4100

One more voice on that unit!


And if there's enough space in it, try to get 4 fitting ALPS RK40 from this reseller..

These pots have much better feeling than the RK27 and do not wear out

misterharrison 12-02-2012 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurin
Alpha Recording System ARS 4100

And another, based purely on looks!

Out of interest, does anyone know if it's a discrete design? I've never read anything about the internals...

misterharrison 12-02-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossa nolyx
And if there's enough space in it, try to get 4 fitting ALPS RK40 from this reseller..

These pots have much better feeling than the RK27 and do not wear out

I think you can only get those in a linear taper now, though.

bossa nolyx 12-02-2012 05:18 PM

Yes, only linear taper is available.

But I installed 6 of them in my PM5000 and I would never go back to the RK27.

And I love the volume curve of rotary faders with linear taper

misterharrison 12-03-2012 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossa nolyx
Yes, only linear taper is available.
But I installed 6 of them in my PM5000 and I would never go back to the RK27.
And I love the volume curve of rotary faders with linear taper

Interesting. I wonder how it feels? I guess the signal starts kicking in pretty quickly in the lower part of the sweep, but then progresses more smoothly thereafter?


bossa nolyx 12-03-2012 07:48 AM

Yes,

normally it should give you about 6dB attenuation from 5 down to 12 (clock), the rest happens below 12. So I normally mix the signal in by turning up to about 10 and then have about 210 rotation angle to mix very very smoothly.

On a log taper rotary fader the first 120 or more are more or less useless because of the low dynamics in most electronic music. Fine mixing happens mostly in the range of 30-60 rotation angle of the pot. With linear taper I can use much more.


BUT it could be another thing on mixers without input gain and sources with very different level. Never tried this you yet...

Laurin 12-03-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterharrison
And another, based purely on looks!

Out of interest, does anyone know if it's a discrete design? I've never read anything about the internals...


:confused:

Had the Mixer for 2 weeks for testing in my dungeon lab. :cool:
Compared it in that time to 1620LE and original, Xone S6, DJR400 +++

Would love to buy it, but I did not have the money for another 19" mixer sitting around.

misterharrison 12-03-2012 12:31 PM

So you had it in your lab for two weeks and never popped the lid?
I've never seen a photo of its insides, nor a comment on its circuit topology.
Perhaps it's full of little green men?
:D

Mistick Krewe 12-03-2012 02:59 PM

benefit of the doubt,
perhaps the manufacturer had seals in place to prevent inspection;
ie..... you break the seal, you buy the unit....

Fred Bissnette 12-03-2012 08:01 PM

i love the rane it feels nice and sounds boss on a big rig

Laurin 12-04-2012 01:07 PM

Just ask ARS about some pics, they are really nice guys.
Had a lot of fun talking to them.

Really open minded about mods and they did not want more money for most of the mods.

paul1979 12-05-2012 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterharrison
And another, based purely on looks!

Out of interest, does anyone know if it's a discrete design? I've never read anything about the internals...



was thinking the same myself, assumed it was due to high price, emailed the dealer in london, who did not know, said they would get back to me, havent heard anything yet

has anyone compared ARS to vintage Bozak?

manny 12-06-2012 01:08 AM

Rane MP2016A

Mehdi 12-06-2012 04:34 AM

ARS is an IC based Mixer, so are there Isolators and EQs, clean sounding tho.

bossa nolyx 12-06-2012 04:35 AM

Do you really think that a console is better in that it is set up discretely?

I have the Bozak Iso-X here and promise you that this thing has taken me all the magic of discrete design. It sounds really bad (especially for its price). And that can be measured too.

I've heard the ARS and can say whether discrete or not, the thing has by far the best phono sound I've ever heard in a DJ mixer. Sound through the line inputs is imo as good as other very good brands and a bit of an issue of taste.

Mehdi 12-06-2012 06:05 AM

Yes I heard that the Bozak Iso has very high distortion, I don't think its designed very well.
I think Discrete circuits sound different, it really depends on the design and what you like sound wise.
IC's sound good too, A B test is the only real decider, blind folded even :D.

Rotary Dreams 12-06-2012 08:11 AM

sdx 3700 ;)

Pern 12-06-2012 09:10 AM

Interesting that the Bozak ISO have High Distortion. When looking at the main PCB it looks like the filters use simple Discrete buffers and i assumed that these was high quality FET based ones (Like Toshiba 2Sk170).

misterharrison 12-06-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossa nolyx
Do you really think that a console is better in that it is set up discretely?

No idea, really!
I just know that people respect the (original) Bozak for it's warm sound, which exists at least partly because of its discrete topology. I might be wrong (and I'm talking about something I have no knowledge about really), but I believe it's easier to design a discrete circuit that doesn't mess with a signal's phase than an IC circuit. Sorry, I've done far too much background reading without any hands-on experience at all! :o


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