We've been busy

[mg75]

Not a club install but was fun.

www.gotoninas.com

My retail store in Passaic, NJ. Me and my friend Steve have been renovating and installed some stuff. Check out the pics. Its a work in progress and more to come.

[pbellsound]

what, no berthas & bullits?

[mg75]

what, no berthas & bullits?

Paul, we all know the bertha is your favorite cabinet. We did not want to copy your designs and get you into another heated argument on the subject

[pbellsound]

Lol!!!

-pb

[duron tarik]

Looks good. keep up the good work. Nice lookin stacks i might add also. might have to swing thru just to check em out.

[djhh212]

Haha!! Cool As Hell...

[C_T]

Djr400! Awesome!!!

[VisageSound]

what, no berthas & bullits?

:rolleyes:

[garydeepblue]

in my town we would be hard pressed to find that in a club!!!!! i should have stayed in retail :( (and moved to the US):D

[Kevin James]

Lookin good :) Nice stacks too, I see you built some Fitzmaurice DR 250's too.

[mg75]

more pics added.

thanks for the positive feedback.

[Sonicanvil]

love those mid bins!
what model are they?

[mg75]

love those mid bins!
what model are they?

Butchered and then modified JBL SR4726X (made into a parabolic horn) now loaded with an RCF L12L750. The 15 from the JBL went into the EAW BH500 pictured on the bottom of the stack. The hi-freq JBL 2447 (16 Ohms) drivers were mounted on their original 2381 horn and new cases were built for them.
Truly a mutant of a system.

We experiment a lot there after normal business hours. We have some very old Ashley analog crossovers, Behringer DCX2496, Audio Arts, Rane AX30, and many others. We also managed to fry the el-cheapo eminence 10's mounted inside the DR250s (pictured on-top of the JBL mids). We also like to change up amps all the time. Sometimes we don't know what we are doing, but this forum has helped us a lot.

Amateurs, but we love what we do.

[mg75]

BTW...

The booth's bass bin is a $5 car speaker we bought and used gorilla glue to mend a tear in it. My friend Steve built the box around it using scraps of wood (half is made out of particle board and the other half out of plywood).

For $5 it pounds!

[Sonicanvil]

well those "butchered" cabs look righteous!
how do they sound?
how did you calculate the angles for the parabolic horn?
don't worry about being amateurs!
theres good sound and bad sound and as its been said before thats a matter of perspective. i believe you do all right as long as you have a good reference point.
experimenting gooood!
wish i could find like minded individuals where i am.

[VisageSound]

well those "butchered" cabs look righteous!
how do they sound?


They actually sound pretty nice. Cant really compare the SPL with the DR's.

[mg75]

well those "butchered" cabs look righteous!
how do they sound?
how did you calculate the angles for the parabolic horn?
don't worry about being amateurs!
theres good sound and bad sound and as its been said before thats a matter of perspective. i believe you do all right as long as you have a good reference point.
experimenting gooood!
wish i could find like minded individuals where i am.

we get all of our calculations and designs off the web. it's really amazing how many great speaker designs are available for free download.

[Sonicanvil]

MG75
are you running the DR250's fullrange?
i'm looking for a good small print horn loaded mid bin to use similarly to your small stack.
for primarily mid freq use which do you prefer? the JBL mods or the DR250?
were the drivers you blew "recommended" drivers?

Visagesound:"They actually sound pretty nice. Cant really compare the SPL with the DR's."
how is spl vs. intelligibility in the vocal range?
are the DR250's just louder?

[mg75]

MG75
are you running the DR250's fullrange?
i'm looking for a good small print horn loaded mid bin to use similarly to your small stack.
for primarily mid freq use which do you prefer? the JBL mods or the DR250?
were the drivers you blew "recommended" drivers?

Visagesound:"They actually sound pretty nice. Cant really compare the SPL with the DR's."
how is spl vs. intelligibility in the vocal range?
are the DR250's just louder?

(SPL wise) The reality is that the DR250's 10 inch recommended Eminence ($50 driver) destroys the 12 inch RCF loaded into the modified JBL cabinet. As far as we are concerned the DR250 will abuse any cabinet with similar specs. We did extensive listening tests.
The only issue for our type of dance music is the mid-freq "kick". The DR cannot keep up with the 12 inch RCF. But in the vocal range the DR really shines. The sound is different (envelopes you) and you can hear singing clearly even 100 feet away (using only 1 cabinet). Another thing is the piezo array... they work! even better than the JBL compression driver.
The reason we fried the DR drivers is because we hooked them up to our Micro Tech 2400. We did not hear distortion (you don't with these cabinets). The mids just cut-out and we were left with the piezos.
For the build price, Bill Fitzmourice's designs are the best choice online. His cabinets do sound different than anything out and you must get used to them. Extensive EQing is also required. Flat response they are not. Hard build they are. I would recommend having 2 DRs minimum per stack.

We also built 2 Tuba 36s loaded with a $99 15 inch eminence. They are wicked for a $300 cabinet.

Our next project is double 15 Tubas and some DR280s. A system that will run as a 2 way with a minimal amount of amps.

[Sonicanvil]

[QUOTE=mg75](SPL wise) The reality is that the DR250's 10 inch recommended Eminence ($50 driver) destroys the 12 inch RCF loaded into the modified JBL cabinet. As far as we are concerned the DR250 will abuse any cabinet with similar specs. We did extensive listening tests.
The only issue for our type of dance music is the mid-freq "kick". The DR cannot keep up with the 12 inch RCF. But in the vocal range the DR really shines. The sound is different (envelopes you) and you can hear singing clearly even 100 feet away (using only 1 cabinet). Another thing is the piezo array... they work! even better than the JBL compression driver.

i'm curious as to what crossover points you were using.
were they the same for the mod and the dr250?

The reason we fried the DR drivers is because we hooked them up to our Micro Tech 2400. We did not hear distortion (you don't with these cabinets). The mids just cut-out and we were left with the piezos.

did you fry them by over driving them or under driving them?
that is was the wattage too low and you killed them with distortion or was the wattage too high and the drivers mechanically failed?

[mg75]

[QUOTE=mg75](SPL wise) The reality is that the DR250's 10 inch recommended Eminence ($50 driver) destroys the 12 inch RCF loaded into the modified JBL cabinet. As far as we are concerned the DR250 will abuse any cabinet with similar specs. We did extensive listening tests.
The only issue for our type of dance music is the mid-freq "kick". The DR cannot keep up with the 12 inch RCF. But in the vocal range the DR really shines. The sound is different (envelopes you) and you can hear singing clearly even 100 feet away (using only 1 cabinet). Another thing is the piezo array... they work! even better than the JBL compression driver.

i'm curious as to what crossover points you were using.
were they the same for the mod and the dr250?

The reason we fried the DR drivers is because we hooked them up to our Micro Tech 2400. We did not hear distortion (you don't with these cabinets). The mids just cut-out and we were left with the piezos.

did you fry them by over driving them or under driving them?
that is was the wattage too low and you killed them with distortion or was the wattage too high and the drivers mechanically failed?

We tested the DRs all the way to 100HZ. They don't do much down there. The JBL mod were best from around 150-200HZ. Again, we do a lot of experimenting and often find it hard to judge what really sounds best. We try to separate high fidelity from high SPL. It's just that when listening to house/techno music, you tend to push it (we like it heavy!). We fried the DRs pushing them too hard with the Micro Tech. Voice coil was burnt. We never heard any distortion coming out of them (they do a good job in hiding it). I think that once you hear distortion on these horns... it's too late.

[Sonicanvil]

Good stuff.
what did you replace the eminence drivers with?
can't tell if the attachment took but found these on speakerplans.com.
i was thinking about chopping the horn and using the box for mids.
compact ,neat and hopefully the fidelity.
now i am curious about the designs you're using.
so much information so little time.

[mg75]

Good stuff.
what did you replace the eminence drivers with?
can't tell if the attachment took but found these on speakerplans.com.
i was thinking about chopping the horn and using the box for mids.
compact ,neat and hopefully the fidelity.
now i am curious about the designs you're using.
so much information so little time.

That's a nice design and looks like an easier build than a DR. Do it! Speakerplans designs are proven in real world rave parties and lots of bass heavy roots reggae dances. But I must repeat myself, for the size, weight, price of build, SPL, and low amp power consumption... the DR line of speakers will demolish anything.

Currently we replaced one DR250 cabinet with the same eminence woofer and are ordering a BMS for the other one.

[VisageSound]

An upgrade from the DJR400
http://www.gotoninas.com/images/109.jpg

[mg75]

An upgrade from the DJR400
http://www.gotoninas.com/images/109.jpg

Or perhaps a downgrade...

always testing new equipment... we will let you know which sounds better.

[Sonicanvil]

What did you spray the booth with to get that textured look?

[mg75]

What did you spray the booth with to get that textured look?

2 coats of Behr Pure Black using a normal roller.

3 coats of soft-tread speciality flooring rubber paint using a textured roller.

2 coats of duratex (last coat diluted with water) using a textured roller.

You can get a more "raised" textured look by waiting until the paint is almost dry and rolling back on it with a dry textured roller.

The booth we built is super tough and it has a soft rubbery feel.

[Sonicanvil]

the things you learn on this forum!
i'd love to do that to speakers!

[VisageSound]

RANE MP 2016 = toy

definitely a downgrade from the djr400. shame

[garydeepblue]

thats rogers design!!!! the now externally runs void acoustics in England (but i think hes over in thailand at the moment)...Roger built the system for the K Bar in Bournemouth, a club i had a residency at, bloody nice system in a town that wasnt used to it.......as soon as he built it, funktion ones started to appear in rival clubs to keep up...

[kick]

gary,
what was the system in that club?any pics?

[VisageSound]

http://www.myheraldnews.com/view.html?type=stories&action=detail&sub_id=24188

[djchris73]

RANE MP 2016 = toy

definitely a downgrade from the djr400. shame

The Rane MP 2016 may surely be a downgrade from an E&S DJR400, but to say that it's a "toy" is a bit of an exagerration. Many professional installers and professional mobile operators on this forum use the mp2016a in thier applications.

[mg75]

The Rane MP 2016 may surely be a downgrade from an E&S DJR400, but to say that it's a "toy" is a bit of an exagerration. Many professional installers and professional mobile operators on this forum use the mp2016a in thier applications.


VisageSound is quick to speak at times. The Rane MP2016a is no toy.
I have been playing on the MP2016a for more than a week now. I actually like it very much. I do think the two mixers are totally different.

I do like the sound (and built-in isolator) on the DJR400 better.

BUT the MP2016a is staying in the booth.

[djchris73]

I have been playing on the MP2016a for more than a week now. I actually like it very much.

My respect, sir. It takes balls to admit that.

I've talked to a few of the professional installers on this forum and they've told me that more and more users would
come out and admit they like using the MP2016A but they are afraid of the ridicule.
I think it's crazy to feel that way.

Sure, the MP2016A is no Bozak or Urei, but it aint a piece of crap either.

I'm a proud MP2016A user.

I've owned and used a Bozak CMA10-2DL and a Urei 1620 (not LE) so I know what they are and what they are not.

[mg75]

I don't really worry about what people think. 99.9% of the people that see the booth at my store, don't know what a dj mixer is. I am also using a Behringer DCX2496 for my monitor speaker processing. I can care less what the analog hi-fi people think. It cost me $250 and sounds great for what I use it for. The ported reflex bass box my friend built out of scrap wood and a $5 ripped woofer also sounds great. Go ahead, judge me for not building a double 18 Bertha.

[Kevin James]

My respect, sir. It takes balls to admit that.

I've talked to a few of the professional installers on this forum and they've told me that more and more users would
come out and admit they like using the MP2016A but they are afraid of the ridicule.
I think it's crazy to feel that way.

Sure, the MP2016A is no Bozak or Urei, but it aint a piece of crap either.

I'm a proud MP2016A user.

I've owned and used a Bozak CMA10-2DL and a Urei 1620 (not LE) so I know what they are and what they are not.

I was telling people here the same thing about a year and a half ago. It wasn't till I posted a blind test between the 2016a and a 1620LE that a couple more people here started admitting the 2016a wasn't a bad sounding mixer and was actually pretty nice

[djchris73]

I was telling people here the same thing about a year and a half ago. It wasn't till I posted a blind test between the 2016a and a 1620LE that a couple more people here started admitting the 2016a wasn't a bad sounding mixer and was actually pretty nice

Kevin, you are a man of integrity. I enjoy your mixes and your setup is very cool. :D

[djchris73]

I don't really worry about what people think. 99.9% of the people that see the booth at my store, don't know what a dj mixer is. I am also using a Behringer DCX2496 for my monitor speaker processing. I can care less what the analog hi-fi people think. It cost me $250 and sounds great for what I use it for. The ported reflex bass box my friend built out of scrap wood and a $5 ripped woofer also sounds great. Go ahead, judge me for not building a double 18 Bertha. Whatever works, bro. Don't even tell anyone what you are using. Let 'em judge by the sound.

[Kevin James]

Kevin, you are a man of integrity. I enjoy your mixes and your setup is very cool. :D

Thanks for the kind words man :)