New CD player by Technic

[jcalegari]

very few informations about this new CD player.

the product name will be SL-???? (the famous SL serie).

and he will have a motorized rotative plate which will drive the CD player.

I attached 1 picture of the CD player.

bye

julien
(sorry for my english)

[jcalegari]

here is the second picture.

[jcalegari]

the last one...

[jcalegari]

Sorry for the mistake.

it's Technics..

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jcalegari
Sorry for the mistake.

it's Technics.. So far I have not been able to find out availability, or pricing on this very nice looking machine! But, I want it, and i want it now! Very suave!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5
So far I have not been able to find out availability, or pricing on this very nice looking machine! But, I want it, and i want it now! Very suave!

I saw this earlier on DHP and it was said to be 3g's, and avalable in japan. It looks like fun but I tell you what I still have'nt heard a DJ cd player that sounds as good as the Denon's. So at 3 grand they better have spent a good chunk of cash on the D/A converts.

BTW vinyl Is Not Dead...:cool:

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jsd540
I saw this earlier on DHP and it was said to be 3g's, and avalable in japan. It looks like fun but I tell you what I still have'nt heard a DJ cd player that sounds as good as the Denon's. So at 3 grand they better have spent a good chunk of cash on the D/A converts.

BTW vinyl Is Not Dead...:cool: Thersw no way itll cost three G,s here! It wont sell! And technics likes to sell!

12-1500 I can see!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5
Thersw no way itll cost three G,s here! It wont sell! And technics likes to sell!

12-1500 I can see!

Now that is reasonable, but even still it has to sound right, and at 800.00 (ish) the denon s5000 sounds much better than the pioneer.

Is functionally very kick ass as well.

So Technics better open up a can of whup ass on all frontiers...

disclaimer: No vinyl was harmed in the production of this post.

[pbellsound]

It might be around $2,500 here in the states, it they release it here. It may not be any better than the Denon S-5000. It might be displayed at AES.

I don't think I'll recommend it. -Looks gee-whiz neato though.

-PB

[clubman5]

Originally posted by pbellsound
It might be around $2,500 here in the states, it they release it here. It may not be any better than the Denon S-5000. It might be displayed at AES.

I don't think I'll recommend it. -Looks gee-whiz neato though.

-PB Gee, I would have held off on making that comment until I at least heard it! Its just the first we have even seen pictures let alone know anyone whose used it!

[pbellsound]

Scotty, you must have the internet implanted in your head. What was that turnaround post/reply time, three minutes?

My guy who knows somebody that has seen it said these things and for that price, I don’t think it’s worth it.

OT: Funny how the Denon S5000 does appear to be a better/more feature laden unit than the CDJ1000 but the clients still want the 1000. Just bought another two today for a joint called PM.

-PB

[clubman5]

Originally posted by pbellsound
Scotty, you must have the internet implanted in your head. What was that turnaround post/reply time, three minutes?

My guy who knows somebody that has seen it said these things and for that price, I don’t think it’s worth it.

OT: Funny how the Denon S5000 does appear to be a better/more feature laden unit than the CDJ1000 but the clients still want the 1000. Just bought another two today for a joint called PM.

-PB My day is over here, so I happened to be sitting in front of my computer!

See my whole point is, I havent even heard the machine! Now, If you know someone who HAS heard and played with it, then you can make a statement like that!

Im gonna tell you gentlemen a little secret. Remember the Blackout? Well, the Friday after the blackout when power came back on, I came down here to check everything out, and of course open up! Well, the power outage blew out my Tascam DAT player, and my Denon D-9000 24 bit top of the line dual CD player! So, I ran to a local shop and bought a CHEAPIE CD player to get me over the weekend. It was a $300 Gemini CDX-602! Mind you, my Denon is being repaired, BUT, Guess what? yUP, THE Gemini $300 MACHINE blows THE expensive denon awayyyyyyy! aND NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT! Alot! Much better bass, warmer sound, smoother mids and nice highs! I swear to G_d!

Couldnt believe, and the next morning when I called my opening man, to tell him what to do, he had already figured things out, and even he said this machine sounds great!

300 bucks! Go figure?

My point is, Denon, to me, has always had an extremely bright sound! i still have my old Denon 2000F from 1994! And Ill reserve judgement on the NEW Technics until I have heard music through it!

[pbellsound]

Guy # 2 says the thing has mostly the same features as the CDJ1000, will do MP3's and will be available here at the end of November listing for around $1,500.00.

Lets see what guy # 3 thinks and of course, how we all think it sounds.

BTW-most of these CD players share the same basic hardware and drive electronics all made by I think 2 manufacturers in Asia. One global economy ya know. The differences are packaging, features lights and buttons.

-PB

[clubman5]

Originally posted by pbellsound
Guy # 2 says the thing has mostly the same features as the CDJ1000, will do MP3's and will be available here at the end of November listing for around $1,500.00.

Lets see what guy # 3 thinks and of course, how we all think it sounds.

BTW-most of these CD players share the same basic hardware and drive electronics all made by I think 2 manufacturers in Asia. One global economy ya know. The differences are packaging, features lights and buttons.

-PB So why do different machines from different manufacturers sound different?

I mean Pioneer and Denon definitely dont sound the same!

Of course, if you think things through, it makes sense for technics to price their NEW machine somewhat competitively! I had said I thought you will see these at a 12-1500 dollar pricepoint!

[thermionic]

Originally posted by clubman5
So why do different machines from different manufacturers sound different?

I mean Pioneer and Denon definitely dont sound the same!


A suspicion could be that the analogue buffering varies from machine to machine, as we know op-amps vary like hell in their performance. Good d-a chipsets such as the Crystal range can be obtained cheaply in quantity by oems, therefore the finger could be pointed to the analogue stages maybe? Really clean psu and Burr-Brown etc i.cs cost dough and require great art to implement, therefore they are going to be bigger factors than the d-a i.c IMO.

Also, irrespective of these machines buffering tracking-errors / jitter will affect players differently, even ones with the same transport-mechanism, pushing the error-correction to varying degrees.

Just a thought, you could spend a lot of time deliberating over the subjective merits of various players. It surprises me that Scott prefers the Gemini though, I guess a case of where cheap is best, how often us that?

[clubman5]

It happened by accident! The blackout blew out my Denon D-9000! So, I needed a player to get me over the weekend! I bought cheap, as I intended to have the EXPENSIVE Denon repaired!

Very surprisingly the Gemini actually sounds terrific! Go figure! If I had been in the market to buy a serious CD player I NEVER would have even looked at Gemini! It was an accident, but a pleasant one!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5
It happened by accident!
Very surprisingly the Gemini actually sounds terrific! Go figure! Just when you thought it was safe to write off gemini :D

I never would have guessed....

[jsd540]

Originally posted by pbellsound
Funny how the Denon S5000 does appear to be a better/more feature laden unit than the CDJ1000 but the clients still want the 1000. Just bought another two today for a joint called PM.

-PB I can't figure it out, the denon also has a better more rugged feel and is actually a dual machine in one w/ 2 outs

People love the effects unit too, and I think it's a sonic atrocity...

Kids today... :D

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jsd540
I can't figure it out, the denon also has a better more rugged feel and is actually a dual machine in one w/ 2 outs

People love the effects unit too, and I think it's a sonic atrocity...

Kids today... :D See I didnt say I like the Pioneer! But I " KNOW " why everybody likes the Pioneer better!

It has a mellower sounding midrange! Even I would listen to CD,s through my Denon,s and wonder! The Denon has a bright, harsh sounding midrange that is offensive!

Im waiting to see what the new Technics sounds like, cause If I like it the spot for it is right between my two Technics tables on my 3 bay console!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5
See I didnt say I like the Pioneer! But I " KNOW " why everybody likes the Pioneer better!

It has a mellower sounding midrange! Even I would listen to CD,s through my Denon,s and wonder! The Denon has a bright, harsh sounding midrange that is offensive!

Im waiting to see what the new Technics sounds like, cause If I like it the spot for it is right between my two Technics tables on my 3 bay console!


I can't wait to hear them also. I currently use a dn2500f and was going to upgrade to a 9000 but after hearing what you said about the gemini I may just get that and take my wife on a cruise with the extra 900 bucks... I'll be needin' some sun and paper umbrella littered drinks by thanksgiving...

Decisions, decisions.

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jsd540
I can't wait to hear them also. I currently use a dn2500f and was going to upgrade to a 9000 but after hearing what you said about the gemini I may just get that and take my wife on a cruise with the extra 900 bucks... I'll be needin' some sun and paper umbrella littered drinks by thanksgiving...

Decisions, decisions. And you will be happy, both on your vacation, and listening to music!

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5
And you will be happy, both on your vacation, and listening to music!

I will follow your teachings of happiness through deep bass and try to achieve a higher fidelity :D

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jsd540
I will follow your teachings of happiness through deep bass and try to achieve a higher fidelity :D The guy at the shop I bought it from likes the Numark players! I bought the Gemini because it was cheap. I just needed it till I got my 9000 repaired! But, I always wondered why the same CD,s I would play sounded kinda good in his shop through MTX speakers! I would leave with CD,s I had heard in the store and they never had that delicate top end in my place! Now they do through the Gemini!

What I say is, go to a store, and listen to various models from various manufacturers! Youll come up with something that sounds nice, and has the features you want!

Same thing would happen when I heard CD,s through Pioneer machines. Smoother warmer midrange. Denon is edgy and excessively bright sounding! I know, I have two Denons!

[jensx]

fascinating thread...

now someone should check out if the higher end gemini decks sound sweet as well - I mean the 602 doesn´t have master tempo, I think it doesn´t have seamlessn loop and I must say that single player units are easier to use in 9 of 10 cases

as for the pioneer: I am very interested about the sound, but I think people choose the cdj as they think it has everything they need; it isn´t that complicated compared to the denon

and the cdj 800 has all the essential features and can you can make a deall on that deck if you don´t want to spend too much

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jensx
fascinating thread...

now someone should check out if the higher end gemini decks sound sweet as well - I mean the 602 doesn´t have master tempo, I think it doesn´t have seamlessn loop and I must say that single player units are easier to use in 9 of 10 cases

as for the pioneer: I am very interested about the sound, but I think people choose the cdj as they think it has everything they need; it isn´t that complicated compared to the denon

and the cdj 800 has all the essential features and can you can make a deall on that deck if you don´t want to spend too much As I have stated, my reason for buying this machine was I was IN A JAM! I went with price! I will be looking for a machine with this sound, and more features!

It isnt the first time something like this has happened!

[dancindave]

Here's some more info on this mysterious CD player basically saying the same info. The *official* unveiling will be tomorrow (09/07/03) at the Plasa show at 3pm, so hurry on out to see it. BTW this thing looks f**king sick!

http://djway.wi.id.au/

http://www.clubdjzone.com/

David

Also what about this? I've heard little about this new Numark CD player.

http://qualityelectronics.net/numarkcdx1.html

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clubman5

It isnt the first time something like this has happened!

Not to jack the thread, but I have'nt experienced this yet. I have experienced paying full price for something that was not satisfactory but never the other way around...

What other examples do you have of this, Just curious.

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jsd540
Not to jack the thread, but I have'nt experienced this yet. I have experienced paying full price for something that was not satisfactory but never the other way around...

What other examples do you have of this, Just curious. Well, one time I bought an inexpensive DOD crossover! I didnt expect too much out of it, but it sounded good!

The OLD crowns are another example! Everybody says the DC 300A,s werent clean, and they were edgy! Yet, with the right woofers they happen to make great sounding bass, if its enough power for your speaker!

[clubman5]

My friend Manny was in my place tonight. So I tell him about the gemini. And how It happened! He also swears by Gemini. he also told me they wont break either! Always a good thing to hear. So, anyway, he says the reason they sound good is because they use Lasers from Sony!

Folks all I can say is Im really happy to have ACCIDENTALLY found this little Gem! gemini!

[johnpuga1982]

On another note:

Is that a Technics copy of a DJM-600?

[darrylfunk]

a lot of what makes cd players sound poor is the clock accuracy and most dj cd players have pitch controls and not fixed clock systems this is one reason why they can sound poor , also on cheaper dj mixers the headroom is not particulaly good for the channels and this can leave a rather hard relentless sound. the new numark single spinner that uses similar technology to the stanton mp3 software looks more interesting than the technics for vinyl djs who want cds to be closer in terms of sound manipulation and sound quality . also cd players are very vibration sensitive and any good isolation helps audio quality , even though many manufacturers deny there players need it . just for other audio quality fans if your putting arms on technics try an acrylic arm board with the michell techno arm which is even better than the origin live silver arm. the shure m 44 g really comes into its own on a neutral arm like this and just makes even a good cd player sound dull and un dynamic .

[daveg]

I was not aware of this company making tonearms. Show me some.

[clubman5]

Originally posted by daveg
I was not aware of this company making tonearms. Show me some. Same here! Show me the goods!

[thermionic]

Originally posted by darrylfunk
a lot of what makes cd players sound poor is the clock accuracy and most dj cd players have pitch controls and not fixed clock systems this is one reason why they can sound poor , also on cheaper dj mixers the headroom is not particulaly good for the channels and this can leave a rather hard relentless sound. the new numark single spinner that uses similar technology to the stanton mp3 software looks more interesting than the technics for vinyl djs who want cds to be closer in terms of sound manipulation and sound quality . also cd players are very vibration sensitive and any good isolation helps audio quality , even though many manufacturers deny there players need it .

Some very good points there. People seem to think that because the new machines have memory buffers tracking-errors are less of an issue, but it's still got to read the code from the disk in the first place.

Originally posted by darrylfunk
just for other audio quality fans if your putting arms on technics try an acrylic arm board with the michell techno arm which is even better than the origin live silver arm. the shure m 44 g really comes into its own on a neutral arm like this and just makes even a good cd player sound dull and un dynamic .

I'd be grateful if you could explain the reasoning behind an acrylic arm board. Are you suggesting a home-made acrylic board can deliver better tracking-distortion performance than a CNC-machined steel board toleranced to within 1/1000 of a mm? Does acrylic have a higher resonant-frequency than steel?

I've tried to find the Michell arm board through Google, be great if someone could provide a link. Cheers.

[darrylfunk]

the arm i mentioned is a new derivative of the rega arm with a superior counter weight system and cardas style faraday cage arm wiring with superior rf rejection ( good for clubs with the multitude of swithing gear , relays and switch mode psu powered equipment .)
in my experience the heavy duty lexan or acrylic arm boards seem to terminate on the technics decks very naturally in terms of the harmonic relationship of the audio . the metal armboards are more edgy sounding and the wood or fibre based laminates seem a bit more colored or overly rich. carbon fibre may be a good but expensive alternative but the fibres would probably have to be aligned in the correct orientation for the job which would take quite a lot of expensive engineering where as acrylic is cheap and easy to machine.

http://www.walrus.co.uk/news/news.htm

here is some details of the tonearm ...
michell-engineering have not yet updated there site.
good hunting guys , i think the arm will beat the standard origin live arms hands down , you would have to go for one of there more expensive arms to get better audio . it is worth remembering that the more expensive arms have a thread bias system which may swing about when back cueing or scratch mixing .

[daveg]

I see it. Hmm, the counter weight looks odd. Talking aesthetically of course, I'm sure it all works OK.

[darrylfunk]

the counter weight is like that because it helps reduce the moment of inertia and is below the bearing housing thus enabling a better centre of gravity when tracing the record due to the warp frequency .
many of the best tone arms use this .
naim aro unipivot
roksan tabriz , artemiz
sme 3 , 4 and 5 series
most unipivots
various high end american arms like the wheaton 's etc.

[daveg]

Cosmetically it looks undersize to my eyes. I like the look of the big SME counter weights. That one looks weedy.

[darrylfunk]

there are 2 sizes of weight so you can optimise the moving mass of the arm to the compliance of the cartridge.
so enabling the cartridge to trace correctly reducing bass resonance in the cantilever section of the cartridge.
you should use the counterweight as close to the pivot point to reduce the moving mass problems that all arms and carts have .
i've heard the sme 4 on a technics and with a suitable cartridge it sounds very neutral and clear with great transients and extended frequency response...very nice .
now how about you guys getting superior phono stages for your mixers like the graham slee phono stages as they have much better headroom than nearly every mixer i have tried.

http://www.audiocontrol.co.uk/dj-turntablist.htm

get some of this awesome phono stage.

[daveg]

Without going in to overpriced hyped Hi Fi luxury gear I can get better preamps down the local bootsale than in ANY DJ mixer made today. With the possible exception of the Allen and Heath V6. The rest are whatever can be made to a price. Lets be honest and realistic here, all DJ market products basically nasty sounding toys. Its all about the mass market and marketing. I don't think it should be necessary to spent £2000 on preamps and tonearms just to get half decent sound. Plug those hi-fi pramps into a rane,pioneer or such and your signal will be turned to Dixons own brand sound quality by all those sh**e surface mount caps and op amps, powered by a underrated cheap chinese power supply. I haven't even mention those clever mixer digital effects, I will now.

Make this house tune on your computer by sampling a old disco record,put it onto CDR. Get CDR mastered onto vinyl, which then gets made processed into digital again on that mixer, then made back into analogue and sent out of mixer main outputs. On to BSS/DBX/KT/JBL processor and made back into digital,processed,delayed etc and back to analogue and out the speakers at a loud a level as it will go!

And then wonder why it sounds flat?

[darrylfunk]

yup, you are talking a lot of sense but then again an audio system has to be considered a garbage in , garbage out type system. so the better your front end source eg. 7", 12", cd or other , then your cd player or turntable should as long as you take care with them should have a bit of fidelity to the sound. by the way surface mount devices can be very hi quality , are any of you guys gonna slag of the linn cd12 player as being un musical and with no life and detail as they are crammed full of the little buggers.
sometimes common sense goes out the window on here with so many opinions of different tastes. there is a vast difference to music in the home to music in a club. i like some valve pieces but they make loads of microphonic noise in p.a. use . hardly any p.a. systems resolve true instrument scale i mean an accoustic kick drum does not sound 20 feet wide like it does in most clubs. accuracy and enjoyable sound are 2 different things entirely. p.a. systems should just sound clear , pleasant for a good few hours with no annoying distortions . a bit of colouration is no bad thing in most cases. but we should all aim for a bit of accuracy to , so we will be able to appreciate the artists work a bit better. sampled disco house or classic sixties jazz or techno outta detroit , it all deserves better sonics.

[daveg]

Well out of my price range if its the model I think it is! I prefer best bang for buck items from the past.

[mattu]

The great thing about Linn gear is that their second hand value is really low, since Linn users have a tendency to a) be $$loaded$$, and b) buy every new piece Linn put out because they constantly upgrade.

I can get a LK100 amp for $200 2nd hand. Brand new, it's around $700, depending on where you get it. Pretty good deal to me.

[daveg]

I suspose with modern Hi Fi there has to be incentives to buy the next new design. Otherwise these companys would do themselves out of business to a degree. Hi Fi is a declining business in many ways, expect to see more interest in the DJ market side of things as we get older and richer(well someboy must be richer!) I myself have turntable design from the 70's (Technics 1200), amp from 1973 and speakers way back from late 1960 to early 70's. I guess I won't be making friends with the local Hi Fi shop!

Also darrylfunk mentions sonic character etc. I'm not spliting hairs with differences in character of sound on the average bit of DJ kit. Compared to a decent design it often sounds terrible, I mean no detail, depth, texture, seperation or bass! I spend loads on a new mixer and it ends up in a unused rack going mouldy and I no longer mix at home beacuse it brings makes high quality gear sound terrible. Until you hear these things you can't believe it. Alright I could have bought the V6 but £4000? isn't that enough dosh to get commited to gearhead mental aslyum?

[clubman5]

Some DJ mixers do leave much to be desired! And some dont! The urei and the Bozak sounds terrific! I had loaned one of my Ureis to a neighbor one time, and we couldnt believe how good his Klipsch speakers driven by a QSC USA1310 sounded!

NOT all DJ gear was created equal!

[daveg]

But I will have to buy used ship overseas and pay import tax for the privilage. What crazy situation when I could have gone to the Plasa show today and had a choice of hundreds of suposed good mixers which might even have the actual big name DJ there, in the flesh, putting his name to it:p LOL

[darrylfunk]

yep , i agree with what your saying mostly

but just cos it's old dont make it good ....

some old gear is just plain crap ....

high feedback to keep it stable , bad transformers

components that are way out of spec etc....

it's tough in our position is it not ?

i'll keep posting as i think my suggestions may be of interest to peeps though , even if they get dismissed out of hand.

peace....

p.s. try a roksan caspian power amp ....they are amazing.....

[daveg]

Roksan Caspian in thirty years time is this still going to be sought after? I'm sure it sounds nice and clean,bright and breezy....BUT..bringing up that sort of device with me as a something I should hear:D You must be having a laugh!

I shall find a dealer nearby for the crack*.


(for international readers crack=english term for amusing way of passing some time not the smoking stuff in your 'crackpipe')

[daveg]

I don't suspose sevenoaks hold this for demo,f**k it I'll just buy one. While I'm at it I'll bin my big JBL's and get some £3000 speakers with two pressed steel basket,plastic cone low efficeincy 5inch mids and a Audax tweeter (finished in light beige veneer of course). I see that amp weighs 12kg, hmm heavy for one so small, still I don't think they will let me in the demo room without a credit check.

[thermionic]

Getting back to the Technics debate, I’m wondering if the Technics has a flaw; either that or an intended obsolescence implemented into the player:

Digital-effects and pitch-correction are not exempt from Moore’s law (Moore’s law being the predicted doubling of computer-semiconductor performance every two years, it’s been right since ‘65) as they are dependent on DSP. Also, as we know, digital-effects date very quickly (disclaimer: apart from a handful of classic digital units), and are becoming more powerful for the price all the time. The same can be said of pitch-correction algorithms: in order for the sound to be anywhere near convincing an army of sharc-type processors is required (an Eventide 7000 isn’t that convincing on lead vocal, how is a combined turntable-cd-dsp unit going to be at an affordable price?). Has anyone noticed a “flutter” effect on the Technics pitch-correction?

The SL1200 turntable has been in production with virtually no updating for 25 years, do you think it’ll be the same for the CD-player? The control-system is unique, and the format will replace final-scratch IMO (who wants to take the laptop out?).

Maybe I’m just cynical, but do you think Technics want to release a new model every few years? It can be updated by flash-media card (just like the ones cameras use). Hopefully they will do something about the effects (I guess it’s too late to leave them out …), if they’ve got to be there they might as well do something useful. The plausibility of the pitch-correction will be more difficult to improve, as that will require proprietary ics.

I’d like to see a higher-end version, with no-dsp and the ability to decode all formats such as DVD-A / SACD / High-res PCM etc (it currently doesn’t go above 44.1 to my knowledge). Having said that, I guess if they’d left out the gimmicks the high-res decoding could’ve taken their place…

[clubman5]

Originally posted by thermionic
Getting back to the Technics debate, I’m wondering if the Technics has a flaw; either that or an intended obsolescence implemented into the player:

Digital-effects and pitch-correction are not exempt from Moore’s law (Moore’s law being the predicted doubling of computer-semiconductor performance every two years, it’s been right since ‘65) as they are dependent on DSP. Also, as we know, digital-effects date very quickly (disclaimer: apart from a handful of classic digital units), and are becoming more powerful for the price all the time. The same can be said of pitch-correction algorithms: in order for the sound to be anywhere near convincing an army of sharc-type processors is required (an Eventide 7000 isn’t that convincing on lead vocal, how is a combined turntable-cd-dsp unit going to be at an affordable price?). Has anyone noticed a “flutter” effect on the Technics pitch-correction?

The SL1200 turntable has been in production with virtually no updating for 25 years, do you think it’ll be the same for the CD-player? The control-system is unique, and the format will replace final-scratch IMO (who wants to take the laptop out?).

Maybe I’m just cynical, but do you think Technics want to release a new model every few years? It can be updated by flash-media card (just like the ones cameras use). Hopefully they will do something about the effects (I guess it’s too late to leave them out …), if they’ve got to be there they might as well do something useful. The plausibility of the pitch-correction will be more difficult to improve, as that will require proprietary ics.

I’d like to see a higher-end version, with no-dsp and the ability to decode all formats such as DVD-A / SACD / High-res PCM etc (it currently doesn’t go above 44.1 to my knowledge). Having said that, I guess if they’d left out the gimmicks the high-res decoding could’ve taken their place… You and I agree on this! I want GOOD sounding components from digital and analog sources! get rid of the features and gadgets and market a seriously good sounding player with one basic feature! PITCH CONTROL! But give me the ability to resolve every minute Micro dynamic subtlety thats in the recording, and give it to me in hi rez realistic sound!

But even Technics has to go with what the majority of the market is demanding IF they want to sell product!

And give me the ability to play DVD,s and SACD,s!

[darrylfunk]

whats wrong with a caspian ?
have you heard it into some m&k studio monitors or atc's and pmc's....
it sounds excellent and sounds a damn sight better than old crown amps....it's leagues ahead.

i agree i'm sick of effects on everything that these manufacturers
push at us and things like the allen & heath are to expensive for
most jocks .

i dont use cd players with pitch controls cause they sound lame.

also i'm doing some work with a valve designer to build a basic 2 and 4 channel valve mixer with a suspended valve output stage based around some classic circuits that we hope to offer as a kit for constructors just as a personal project , hopefully something will be available in under 6 months.

i think technics may release a basic version without the effects
but technics cd players in general sound pretty poor.

do you remember the one from years ago that looked like a cash register...? that was dire.

p.s. i got some tlx range jbl cheapys and they sound good with the caspian !!! ( but i dont own the caspian )except for the nasty metal domes.

horses for courses.

[dancindave]

http://www.duo-audio.com/images/P1200.jpg

This has the same footprint as the SL1200 and pitch control, but that's it. It came out before the Pioneer CDJ 500 in 1986.

[daveg]

These are very very heavy for a CD player.

[clubman5]

Originally posted by darrylfunk
whats wrong with a caspian ?
have you heard it into some m&k studio monitors or atc's and pmc's....
it sounds excellent and sounds a damn sight better than old crown amps....it's leagues ahead.

i agree i'm sick of effects on everything that these manufacturers
push at us and things like the allen & heath are to expensive for
most jocks .

i dont use cd players with pitch controls cause they sound lame.

also i'm doing some work with a valve designer to build a basic 2 and 4 channel valve mixer with a suspended valve output stage based around some classic circuits that we hope to offer as a kit for constructors just as a personal project , hopefully something will be available in under 6 months.

i think technics may release a basic version without the effects
but technics cd players in general sound pretty poor.

do you remember the one from years ago that looked like a cash register...? that was dire.

p.s. i got some tlx range jbl cheapys and they sound good with the caspian !!! ( but i dont own the caspian )except for the nasty metal domes.

horses for courses. How would you compare the Caspian to Bryston? This is what Im using on my full range, and they are excellent!

[jensx]

999 $ @ audiolines

big surprise, it´s actually cheaper than the cdj 1000 mk ii
and it looks awesome

yes technics wants to sell some decks

[clubman5]

Originally posted by jensx
999 $ @ audiolines

big surprise, it´s actually cheaper than the cdj 1000 mk ii
and it looks awesome

yes technics wants to sell some decks $999.95! Priced to move! Now, we wait a couple of months to find out how they sound, and how they hold up. Then In 2 months if all is right, BUY,BUY,BUY!

Of course, I do remember the Technics CD player from the early 90,s! The one that looked like a turntable! I would hope this NEW one sounds NOTHING like that one!

So, It makes perfect sense to wait a bit, and see how it goes.

[darrylfunk]

hi scott,
i have not heard say a bryston 4b verses a caspian power amp directly
but roksan were the bryston distributor for a few years before pmc
took over .
i would say the roksan amp would be better rhtmically by a long way and should posses more fine detail to the sound , not so sure about drive capabilities against say the 4b as that is a very capable power amp . i used to have a pair of the 4b's many years ago , a fantastic amp . the mono blocs bryston make are very very good too.
also i think i used a similar bryston cross over to the model your familiar with how high do you rate it's fidelity , what beats it ?

best wishes

darryl.

[clubman5]

Originally posted by darrylfunk
hi scott,
i have not heard say a bryston 4b verses a caspian power amp directly
but roksan were the bryston distributor for a few years before pmc
took over .
i would say the roksan amp would be better rhtmically by a long way and should posses more fine detail to the sound , not so sure about drive capabilities against say the 4b as that is a very capable power amp . i used to have a pair of the 4b's many years ago , a fantastic amp . the mono blocs bryston make are very very good too.
also i think i used a similar bryston cross over to the model your familiar with how high do you rate it's fidelity , what beats it ?

best wishes

darryl. You would be talking about the Bryston 10B crossovers. Very good, and very user selectable! Good fidelity!

The only other crossovers I would like as much are Vintage units such as Crown MX-4,s! Dead clean, warm and VERY Dynamic sounding!

I am using a 2B on my full range tweeters and a 3B ST on my mid horns and 3 Bryston 4B st on my 15,s! Alot of drive capability! I find the Bryston very clean and solid sounding. The mids have nice depth!